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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 4, 2003 1:45:48 GMT -5
Chi/ki is what amounts to your bodies internal energym and a way to tap into it for a better life and stuff. Magic, on the other hand, it what amounts to "Blah blah blah, yackity smackity" and *poof* I just summoned a demon from the ninth pit of hell. It's clear that you don't understand either concept. Do some reading, then we'll get back to this .
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 4, 2003 1:54:36 GMT -5
If chi is focusing your body's energy to a certain point, therefore it is not magic. Kinda like saying "If a train is something that carries people from one place to another, therefore it is not a vehicle." You're still stuck in this thought pattern that magick is simply something not understood. Try and escape that.
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 4, 2003 21:40:37 GMT -5
Kinda like saying "If a train is something that carries people from one place to another, therefore it is not a vehicle." You're still stuck in this thought pattern that magick is simply something not understood. Try and escape that. No, I was illustrating a point that chi is not the same thing as magic. Chi is the body's energy, not magic.
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Post by Stone on Aug 4, 2003 22:01:56 GMT -5
To alot of people it would seem like magic.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 5, 2003 1:02:47 GMT -5
No, I was illustrating a point that chi is not the same thing as magic. Chi is the body's energy, not magic. And by saying that you're illustrating the point that you have no fucking idea what magic(k) actually means. Like I said, neither of you are qualified for this discussion, it'd be like me talking to Jimi Hendrix about guitar playing. Do some research, then come back. All you need to know, I guess, is that the chi concept is most definitely a certain paradigm of magic(k).
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Post by Xaroc on Aug 9, 2003 0:45:43 GMT -5
The problem we keep running into, like in most deep discussions, is the definition of the topic. Magic: what is its definition? We can’t really say because it means something different for everyone.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 9, 2003 0:58:51 GMT -5
The problem we keep running into, like in most deep discussions, is the definition of the topic. Magic: what is its definition? We can’t really say because it means something different for everyone. "Magic" is what sleight-of-hand entertainers, characters in Dungeons and Dragons (eck), and 15-year-old pagan wannabes do. "Magick" is the application of the Thelema (True Will) to any purpose exceeding the bounds of conventionally "normal" human capability. In other words, everything from ESP to dim mak to the Order of the Golden Dawn's hermetic tradition fall into the category of "magick."
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 9, 2003 3:15:10 GMT -5
i do not like using the term "magick" to describe perfectly natural things such as ESP and other things. Magick is just more of a supernatural thing really. But well, it IS the definition of magick.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 9, 2003 3:31:23 GMT -5
i do not like using the term "magick" to describe perfectly natural things such as ESP and other things. Magick is just more of a supernatural thing really. But well, it IS the definition of magick. No, /magic/ is a supernatural thing. /Magick/ is the direct application of will. You can use it however you want to. The "magic" is just a focus...the power lies in the will.
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 9, 2003 3:33:51 GMT -5
I do not see why application/ force of will is supernatural, as supernatural is defined as, well, beyond natural. If i can apply my will, I feel that it would be perfectly natural.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 9, 2003 4:11:33 GMT -5
I do not see why application/ force of will is supernatural, as supernatural is defined as, well, beyond natural. If i can apply my will, I feel that it would be perfectly natural. Exactly...were you agreeing with me there consciously, or accidentally?
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Post by D°©tª·D [DD] on Aug 20, 2003 17:19:05 GMT -5
Magick is bullshit! I'm gonna burn everyone who says otherwise! ;D
Magick is not something which I have any knowledge or interest in, but my step-sister actively practises Wicca (or whatever it is) and I have seen one thing which made me think to myself "shit, maybe there is something behind this!" That was some little thing she did which changed her eye colour temperarily, and it did actually change.
BTW: mag·ick n. An action or effort undertaken because of a personal need to effect change, especially as associated with Wicca or Wiccan beliefs.
mag·ic n. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.
The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature. The charms, spells, and rituals so used. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment. A mysterious quality of enchantment: “For me the names of those men breathed the magic of the past” (Max Beerbohm).
adj. Of, relating to, or invoking the supernatural: “stubborn unlaid ghost/That breaks his magic chains at curfew time” (John Milton). Possessing distinctive qualities that produce unaccountable or baffling effects.
tr.v. mag·icked, mag·ick·ing, mag·ics To produce or make by or as if by magic.
magic
\Mag"ic\, Magical \Mag"ic*al\, a. [L. magicus, Gr. ?, fr. ?: cf. F. magique. See Magi.] 1. Pertaining to the hidden wisdom supposed to be possessed by the Magi; relating to the occult powers of nature, and the producing of effects by their agency.
2. Performed by, or proceeding from, occult and superhuman agencies; done by, or seemingly done by, enchantment or sorcery. Hence: Seemingly requiring more than human power; imposing or startling in performance; producing effects which seem supernatural or very extraordinary; having extraordinary properties; as, a magic lantern; a magic square or circle.
The painter's magic skill. --Cowper.
Note: Although with certain words magic is used more than magical, -- as, magic circle, magic square, magic wand, -- we may in general say magic or magical; as, a magic or magical effect; a magic or magical influence, etc. But when the adjective is predicative, magical, and not magic, is used; as, the effect was magical.
Magic circle, a series of concentric circles containing the numbers 12 to 75 in eight radii, and having somewhat similar properties to the magic square.
Magic humming bird (Zo["o]l.), a Mexican humming bird (Iache magica), having white downy thing tufts.
Magic lantern. See Lantern.
Magic square, numbers so disposed in parallel and equal rows in the form of a square, that each row, taken vertically, horizontally, or diagonally, shall give the same sum, the same product, or an harmonical series, according as the numbers taken are in arithmetical, geometrical, or harmonical progression.
Magic wand, a wand used by a magician in performing feats of magic.
magic
\Mag"ic\, n. [OE. magique, L. magice, Gr. ? (sc. ?), fr. ?. See Magic, a., and Magi.] A comprehensive name for all of the pretended arts which claim to produce effects by the assistance of supernatural beings, or departed spirits, or by a mastery of secret forces in nature attained by a study of occult science, including enchantment, conjuration, witchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, incantation, etc.
An appearance made by some magic. --Chaucer.
Celestial magic, a supposed supernatural power which gave to spirits a kind of dominion over the planets, and to the planets an influence over men.
Natural magic, the art of employing the powers of nature to produce effects apparently supernatural.
Superstitious, or Geotic, magic, the invocation of devils or demons, involving the supposition of some tacit or express agreement between them and human beings.
Syn: Sorcery; witchcraft; necromancy; conjuration; enchantment.
magic
adj : possessing or using or characteristic of or appropriate to supernatural powers; "charming incantations"; "magic signs that protect against adverse influence"; "a magical spell"; "'tis now the very witching time of night"- Shakespeare; "wizard wands"; "wizardly powers" [syn: charming, magical, sorcerous, witching(a), wizard(a), wizardly] n 1: any art that invokes supernatural powers 2: an illusory feat; considered magical by naive observers [syn: magic trick, conjuring trick, trick, legerdemain, illusion, deception]
magic
An early system on the Midac computer.
[Listed in CACM 2(5):16 (May 1959)].
magic
1. As yet unexplained, or too complicated to explain; compare automagically and (Arthur C.) Clarke's Third Law:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
"TTY echoing is controlled by a large number of magic bits." "This routine magically computes the parity of an 8-bit byte in three instructions."
2. Characteristic of something that works although no one really understands why (this is especially called black magic).
3. (Stanford) A feature not generally publicised that allows something otherwise impossible or a feature formerly in that category but now unveiled.
Compare wizardly, deep magic, heavy wizardry.
For more about hackish "magic" see Magic Switch Story.
4. magic number.
magic
1. adj. As yet unexplained, or too complicated to explain; compare automagically and (Arthur C.) Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." "TTY echoing is controlled by a large number of magic bits." "This routine magically computes the parity of an 8-bit byte in three instructions." 2. adj. Characteristic of something that works although no one really understands why (this is especially called black magic). 3. n. [Stanford] A feature not generally publicized that allows something otherwise impossible, or a feature formerly in that category but now unveiled. 4. n. The ultimate goal of all engineering & development, elegance in the extreme; from the first corollary to Clarke's Third Law: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced".
Parodies playing on these senses of the term abound; some have made their way into serious documentation, as when a MAGIC directive was described in the Control Card Reference for GCOS c.1978. For more about hackish `magic', see Appendix A. Compare black magic, wizardly, deep magic, heavy wizardry.
magic
The Jews seem early to have consulted the teraphim (q.v.) for oracular answers (Judg. 18:5, 6; Zech. 10:2). There is a remarkable illustration of this divining by teraphim in Ezek. 21:19-22. We read also of the divining cup of Joseph (Gen. 44:5). The magicians of Egypt are frequently referred to in the history of the Exodus. Magic was an inherent part of the ancient Egyptian religion, and entered largely into their daily life. All magical arts were distinctly prohibited under penalty of death in the Mosaic law. The Jews were commanded not to learn the "abomination" of the people of the Promised Land (Lev. 19:31; Deut. 18:9-14). The history of Saul's consulting the witch of Endor (1 Sam. 28:3-20) gives no warrant for attributing supernatural power to magicians. From the first the witch is here only a bystander. The practice of magic lingered among the people till after the Captivity, when they gradually abandoned it. It is not much referred to in the New Testament. The Magi mentioned in Matt. 2:1-12 were not magicians in the ordinary sense of the word. They belonged to a religious caste, the followers of Zoroaster, the astrologers of the East. Simon, a magician, was found by Philip at Samaria (Acts 8:9-24); and Paul and Barnabas encountered Elymas, a Jewish sorcerer, at Paphos (13:6-12). At Ephesus there was a great destruction of magical books (Acts 19:18, 19). Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Carelessly stolen from dictionary.com
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 21, 2003 4:58:51 GMT -5
Thanks, but I tend to have more faith in the definitions used by practitioners, than by the definitions put forth by some remote party.
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Post by D°©tª·D [DD] on Aug 21, 2003 10:37:23 GMT -5
Oh... so you'd prefer the viewpoint of a teenage girl who makes love potions to that of the dictionary?
;D ...I'm jokin'.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 21, 2003 10:54:58 GMT -5
[Edit by Stone:] This is totally Fucking Post Whoring. This post had no meaning.'ZING' What the FUCK is 'ZING'
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