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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 2, 2003 23:06:47 GMT -5
There has recently been a new theory postulated about blackholes known as the Gravastar Theory. The gravastar theory states that when a large star dies, eventually the matter of the star will not collapse to form a hole. But the matter reaches absolute zero (the temperature at which all physical activity virtually stops), the matter of the star collaleses into what amounts to one big atom. At this point, the star has reached a bizarre state of matter that totally warps space time. This theory helps fix the problem of the enormous amount of entropy created by a black hole. And it helps explain why light can't seem to escape while black holes radiate gamma rays. I thought this would be an interesting theory here. More info at: www.lanl.gov/orgs/sr/gravistar.shtmlDiscuss.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 3, 2003 0:57:29 GMT -5
Don't order me around, bitch, you're not my girlfriend .
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 3, 2003 1:00:53 GMT -5
Don't order me around, bitch, you're not my girlfriend . I'm ont ordering you around, I am trying to initiate an intellectual convo.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 3, 2003 1:54:28 GMT -5
I'm ont ordering you around, I am trying to initiate an intellectual convo. The smiley was there for a reason, y'know.
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 3, 2003 1:55:28 GMT -5
The smiley was there for a reason, y'know. Of course I know the smiley was there for a reason, I just didn;'t want to put one on .
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 3, 2003 2:22:39 GMT -5
Of course I know the smiley was there for a reason, I just didn;'t want to put one on . Don't make me grumble at you, I'll do it.
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 3, 2003 2:28:37 GMT -5
Don't make me grumble at you, I'll do it. Now you stop whoring my forum, you told me to stop in yours . I REALLY need to get this back on topic.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 3, 2003 2:35:51 GMT -5
Now you stop whoring my forum, you told me to stop in yours . I REALLY need to get this back on topic. Hey, you're an admitted pro-post-whore . Anyway, I won't be able to read this tonight, as it will hurt my mind.
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Post by Stone on Aug 3, 2003 12:06:46 GMT -5
Lads. It's the same two of ye who are putting threads off topic with you're conversations. STOP dragging threads so off topic. I'll get very pissed off if I have to edit posts for being off topic. I'll leave this one go, only because Zbox is the mod here.
And, if you're only posting like that to increase your post count, I'll just lower it.
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Post by Stone on Aug 3, 2003 12:10:02 GMT -5
I don't have time to read it now, but I will soon and let ye know my thoughts on it. At this point, the star has reached a bizarre state of matter that totally warps space time. This theory helps fix the problem of the enormous amount of entropy created by a black hole. And it helps explain why light can't seem to escape This bizarre state is just a big gravity well. The gravity is so strong that it captures light and bends space-time.
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Post by Kakkaraun on Aug 3, 2003 21:35:13 GMT -5
I'll leave this one go, only because Zbox is the mod here. So why is it that the only thread you ever actually edited was the one where a mod of the forum was participating in the off-topic posting? It seems to me that either you not only can't choose not to read posts you don't want to, but also cannot read titles, or you're just obsessed with stomping on people's mirth. If a mod tells me to stop being off-topic on a particular thread, then I will. But that hasn't happened yet.
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Post by Stone on Aug 3, 2003 22:41:08 GMT -5
So why is it that the only thread you ever actually edited was the one where a mod of the forum was participating in the off-topic posting? I don't have time to edit them all. Thats why I'm telling the mods to keep them on topic. If a mod tells me to stop being off-topic on a particular thread, then I will. But that hasn't happened yet. You are mod, You should know not to be going so off-topic. If somebody is reading through the thread and gets bored because of it going off-topic, then they may not keep reading. If you want to continue this off-topic conversation, do it somewhere else. Back on topicI just had time to read that piece. It's an interesting theory. Especially the bit about maybe that our universe is one of these Gravastars. It makes sense to me... The Big Bang was the collapse of the star causing the creation of the universe in the bubble. Our universe has been described as a bubble in a bigger universe before, but nobody took the theory seriously as there was not even another theory to support it. An interesting theory I heard before was that there was just a single universe before the Big Bang. A ten-dimensional universe. It split into two during the Big Bang, and we live in the four-dimensional universe, while the oter universe is a six-dimensional universe. The two theories can be pieced together. When the Super Atom formed, it was ten-dimensional. But something caused it to split (the Big Bang). The four-dimensional universe expanded, while the ten-dimensional universe shrunk to the size of an atom.
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Post by ZBoxDemon on Aug 3, 2003 22:48:50 GMT -5
I just had time to read that piece. It's an interesting theory. Especially the bit about maybe that our universe is one of these Gravastars. It makes sense to me... The Big Bang was the collapse of the star causing the creation of the universe in the bubble. Our universe has been described as a bubble in a bigger universe before, but nobody took the theory seriously as there was not even another theory to support it. An interesting theory I heard before was that there was just a single universe before the Big Bang. A ten-dimensional universe. It split into two during the Big Bang, and we live in the four-dimensional universe, while the oter universe is a six-dimensional universe. The two theories can be pieced together. When the Super Atom formed, it was ten-dimensional. But something caused it to split (the Big Bang). The four-dimensional universe expanded, while the ten-dimensional universe shrunk to the size of an atom. I also read somewhere that when this universe collapses into the big crunch, the 6th/10th dimensional universe expands. And when it reaches a certain size, if we had the technology (granted humans were alive at the time, or some form of life was), We could actually form a wormhole and connect to the other universe, and hop over to that one, and we could survive our universe's demise. And if and when the 4th dimensionsal universe begins another genesis, and expands enough, we would be able to go back to the universe we left and continue our existance.
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Post by Vegito on Aug 3, 2003 23:02:58 GMT -5
The Black hole concept is an intresting one at that. I am a qualified geologist, who specializes in Astronomy.
I must admit the thought of matter, and light being sucked into a gravity hole has its intrests, especially as to what happens to the matter. Like the majority of my collegues, i am puzzled and confused by the conflicting arguments that you here about black holes. I believe that the matter trapped inside a black hole, is condenced down to its malecular properties, eg, atoms, and is then thrown into a layer of sub space that exists within our universe.
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Post by Stone on Aug 3, 2003 23:08:35 GMT -5
Well, The Big Crunch has no real backing. It just is a possibility. The expansion of the universe is slowing down, but nobody knows what will happen when it stops. Will it just stay the same size? Or will it collapse in the Big Crunch? Or will time freeze? Or will time go in reverse, and we live our lives backwards??
As for the sixth-dimensional universe... Lets say that if the Big Crunch happens (in our universe), It will most likely start as the universe getting smaller veryslowly. All the matter in our universe will be condensed together. We would be crushed under immense pressure before the final implosion happens. Now, for the six-dimensional universe to 'Big Bang' it will need a huge energy source. The energy could be provided by the final implosion of our universe. But we would all be dead by then. Even if the Big Bang in the sixth-dimensional univers occured now, it would still be along the lines of 300,000 years before it became anywhere near cold enough for solid matter to take form. And then, we would have to wait for everything to settle a bit, and for the suns to form. And then wait for the planets, and life to begin so we have a source of food.
As for us being even able to survive in a six-dimensional universe... We know of the four dimensions in our universe - Height, length, width and time. If these are four of the ten dimensions, can you even begin to imagine the other six? More than likely, we wouldn't be able to comprehend them and we would go insane.
Although, there is a theory that we are actually in a ten-dimensional universe now, and that there was ever only one universe. We just can't comprehend the other six dimensions.
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