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Athiest
Jul 27, 2003 18:27:30 GMT -5
Post by Vegito on Jul 27, 2003 18:27:30 GMT -5
Yes I am an athiest, but not by choice. Lets just say that events in my life have let me to believe that there is no God. That and my constant thinking of the question, ''does God exist?''.
I have come to the conclusion that God does not exist.
On a lighter note, an intelligent topic stone!!! Nice job.
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Athiest
Jul 27, 2003 19:33:43 GMT -5
Post by ~A*4*J~ on Jul 27, 2003 19:33:43 GMT -5
Question:
Do we have to ALWAYS have to have an intelligent reason as to why we believe in God??? I mean, hey, I searched long and hard for a religion and belief that was intelligent and suited MY lifestyle and well, I never found an intelligent one!
The fact is that although a lot of religion is based on history, there is still a HUGE amount of Faith involved! That is what is important about religion, your faith.
Man, I could ramble on here a lot but I don't think I will! My point I guess is this, don't FOOL yourselves into thinking that everything has to be reasoned and logical for you to believe into. That might as well be the religion called "science"
Ok enough from Me.
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Athiest
Jul 27, 2003 19:41:11 GMT -5
Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2003 19:41:11 GMT -5
If you can define Atheist as someone who doesnt believe in God then yes I am Atheist. But if you define it as someone who believes in nothing then no Im not Atheist, I have beliefs. Its down to your definition.
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Athiest
Jul 27, 2003 19:47:59 GMT -5
Post by ~A*4*J~ on Jul 27, 2003 19:47:59 GMT -5
Ok, definintion is a very important part of this debate or discussion, because with out clear definition on a word then what good is it to even talk about it.
Now according to the Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary an atheist is someone "who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Now an agnostic may be more like the kind of stuff we are talking about. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition says this about agnosticism
"An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things” hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,” as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870."
So there we go, some nice information about both!!! Happy reading!
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Athiest
Jul 28, 2003 0:30:22 GMT -5
Post by Vegito on Jul 28, 2003 0:30:22 GMT -5
Hmm, from what you just said A4J, I think that I may be an agnostic, not athiest. I don't go to church, I don't pray, and I sure as hell hate those holidays, where everything is closed for the day. But, I like to think that something is out there, but I don't want to pray to it, or ask it for help.
Cheers for the info on that anyway!
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Jul 29, 2003 2:23:13 GMT -5
Post by ZBoxDemon on Jul 29, 2003 2:23:13 GMT -5
I don't consider myself atheist. I do believe in a god, but I do not go to church, pray, or do any of that suck-up-to-butt-fucking-priests stuff. My religion is science, and science is the ultimate religion.
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Jul 29, 2003 2:52:23 GMT -5
Post by Kakkaraun on Jul 29, 2003 2:52:23 GMT -5
I'm an atheist in the root sense of the word: I follow no particular set of theological dogma. I believe that all things are possible, and therefore, that any deity is possible. I don't, however, think that any one religion is the "one true faith."
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Jul 29, 2003 8:47:42 GMT -5
Post by Stone on Jul 29, 2003 8:47:42 GMT -5
First off, Science is not a religion.
Secondly, I don't believe in any God/s, because a God doesn't make any sense to me.
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Athiest
Jul 29, 2003 16:26:38 GMT -5
Post by ZBoxDemon on Jul 29, 2003 16:26:38 GMT -5
As religion is essentially a set group of beliefs, it can be considered a religion. Your belief system is based around knowledge and the world around you that you experience every day. As opposed to believing that everything in your life and everything around is just taken for granted, without actually exploring how it works, or what makes it tick.
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Athiest
Jul 29, 2003 22:50:55 GMT -5
Post by Kakkaraun on Jul 29, 2003 22:50:55 GMT -5
As religion is essentially a set group of beliefs, it can be considered a religion. Your belief system is based around knowledge and the world around you that you experience every day. As opposed to believing that everything in your life and everything around is just taken for granted, without actually exploring how it works, or what makes it tick. The definition of religion is evasive at best. Some people believe a "religion" has to have a church system, et cetera. Some people believe that any set of beliefs is a religion, so Science and The Twelve Step Program would be religions. I'm somewhere in the middle.
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Athiest
Jul 30, 2003 10:10:59 GMT -5
Post by Stone on Jul 30, 2003 10:10:59 GMT -5
Question: Do we have to ALWAYS have to have an intelligent reason as to why we believe in God??? I mean, hey, I searched long and hard for a religion and belief that was intelligent and suited MY lifestyle and well, I never found an intelligent one! Because I'm not willing to dedicate my life to something which I have no proof exists. You said on another forum that God could not be a big ape. Why did you say that? Because it's not an intelligent comment in your eyes. And now you say you don't need an intelligent reason to believe in God???
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Athiest
Jul 30, 2003 20:05:08 GMT -5
Post by T. Wedd on Jul 30, 2003 20:05:08 GMT -5
I'm more athiest than agnostic.
I don't believe in god, heaven or religion, however i do believe we had creators that assisted in our evolutionary developement. Quite possibly genetic modification or creation by another life form.
The bible to me is severely flawed from start to finish. Like the bible says incest is wrong, however Adam and Eve had children, so who did the children fuck? Eachother.
And according to the bible Jesus was born 25th December. However, everything from the wheather to the seasonal availability of food indicate the birth would of been around June/July if it did in fact occur.
The list goes on.
Sceince and religion heavily contradict one another, however both are taught in most schools. Science is the more valid belief option for me.
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Athiest
Jul 31, 2003 1:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Kakkaraun on Jul 31, 2003 1:35:11 GMT -5
Sceince and religion heavily contradict one another, however both are taught in most schools. Science is the more valid belief option for me. Most religion does a good enough job of contradicting itself . Anyway, there's more incest in the Old Testament than in all of Ed Gein's wet dreams, combined.
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Athiest
Jul 31, 2003 1:51:42 GMT -5
Post by ZBoxDemon on Jul 31, 2003 1:51:42 GMT -5
Most religion does a good enough job of contradicting itself . Anyway, there's more incest in the Old Testament than in all of Ed Gein's wet dreams, combined. yes religion does contradict itself quite a lot. one area is in genesis where it says Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. They forgot to mention that Adam had a wife beforehand who later became the queen of all demons. There's probably more incest in some parts of the south than in the old testiment AND Ed Gein's dreams combined ;D.
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Athiest
Jul 31, 2003 2:05:16 GMT -5
Post by Kakkaraun on Jul 31, 2003 2:05:16 GMT -5
They forgot to mention that Adam had a wife beforehand who later became the queen of all demons. You're mixing Christianity with...well, all the religions that cast Lillith as "Queen of Darkness muhaha." IIRC, the Bible never mentioned her because she didn't really do a whole lot in straight-up Christian mythology.
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